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archangels ghosts and Bigfoot oh hi it's

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just another night for Supernatural

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girls real stories real answers to

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life's biggest supernatural mysteries

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and now for another exciting interview

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with paranormal experts in this world

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and others here's your host paranormal

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researcher Patricia Baker the only

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welcome everyone to a very exciting show

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tonight on Supernatural girls radio I am

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your host

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Patricia Baker I am here with my co-host

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all the way from Tucson

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Patricia Kirkman famous numerologist PK

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how you doing tonight I'm doing fabulous

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I just love what would you say my famous

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numerologist I'm gonna read around the

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sign so everybody also know it too it's

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good well we know we know all about how

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famous you are and how great you are so

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it's fun we've been talking and laughing

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for the last hour with our guests have

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we got a great show for everybody

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tonight my gosh

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our two favorite people in the whole

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wide world Betty Lucca well her middle

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name Andresen you know that one

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Betty Andres and Lucca and her husband

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Bob Lucca we love these people they are

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amazing and they're with us tonight for

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the entire show and they're talking

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about their new book it is how a lifting

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of the veil and let us tell you it's a

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great book this is a page-turner

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isn't it a page-turner you cannot put it

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down you can't put it down and I'm one

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of these I read in bits and pieces I had

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to go through most of it before I could

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even put it down so that says a lot for

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me it's tremendous it's so personal and

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it's so it's so touching and I know we

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both really felt that we were inside

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their world Betty and Bob's world and

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they they wrote a beautiful story now in

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in its fraud with their own personal

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challenges their own personal hardships

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and we're going to get into all of what

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happened but mixed in with all of it are

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their paranormal experiences the

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experiences with the beings which each

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of them have had each of them have had

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their own abductions their own

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experiences one together that is written

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about in the book and it's fascinating

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then we're going to talk about a little

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bit later on the government nonsense

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right how the

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has harassed these people beyond belief

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we're gonna be talking about all of that

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tonight so get ready in the chat room

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everybody with your questions it's irn

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chat comm irn chat comm we will ask your

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questions for you on your behalf for if

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you have any questions for Betty and Bob

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just write them in the chat room that's

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irn chat dot-com so PK numerologically

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what are we up to what's going on

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well firstly we have to remember we're

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still in a retrograde and that is going

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to be true until the 5th of September

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do you remember even though it ends the

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5th of September there's a bit of a

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shadow period afterwards so unless

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you're born in a retrograde that's the

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only time we're lucky during these

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phases unless you're born in a like that

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lucky part of the retrograde don't go

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purchasing things don't repair things

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did you hear me Bob because it's not a

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time it's a time for taking a look into

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things but don't feel it's in concrete

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yet because it isn't you're going to

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change your mind and especially for

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those that are virgos they're ruled by

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mercury so Mercury's got a lot to do

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with a little shake rattle and roll

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life path that is their month day and

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number being a 5 those people are doing

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cuz there's look that it's all about a

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high impact major changes getting things

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moving so for those people the

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retrograde spine if you're born in a

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retrograde you have a luck factor which

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months give or take with the richer

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retrograde is just a reverse ok well

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that's what interesting yeah so the rest

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the wall until September 5th and a

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so we know that now you're looking into

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things know that you can look research

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alright am i part of that good news yeah

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so we're gonna sit tight through this

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regimen right that is what we are going

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to you sit tight okay now I wanted you

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to take a look at Betty and Bob's

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numbers because they have this amazing

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life path because they have had these

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experiences separately and together with

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million interaction and they've had

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contact they've been ducted and they've

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had close encounters one two three four

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five six however many there are so they

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met them all so what's going on with

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your numbers that would lead to that

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well I'd have a hard time saying it

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would lead to that because many people

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may have the similar numbers of the same

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numbers but what it is their charts to

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combine together they they unite very

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well for this type of thing neither one

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has a ego both of them are ultra

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sensitive to what the world needs and

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what other people are looking for both

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like changes but they do it creatively

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different that's the first part where

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Bob is more able to push things out

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there Betty pulls back on some of these

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things she's just not too sure but both

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of them are very sensitive to the world

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at large and I think that has a lot to

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do with yeah but how they it's kind of

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like when you go like this it has to fit

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just right and that's what they do when

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they're together they fit just right so

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that energy is harmonious and somehow

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it's also attractive to these ETS so

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their ego their sensitivity their

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ability to deal with change their

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feeling about the spiritual side and

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others and how to balance the world

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they're both identical totally different

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names totally different

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days yet those parts of their charge are

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identical how fascinating well if you

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want a reading from miss Patricia

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Kirkman you can get one and you can find

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her at Patricia Kirkman dot-com she'll

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do a personal reading for you tell you

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what to expect what's coming up in the

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next year where your pitfalls are where

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your strengths are so Patricia Kirkman

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comm I highly recommend it now you're

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right you are so welcome a very

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interesting stories we posted this week

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on Facebook we had the nasty fairies

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that you're a little bit happy people

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yes that was before I know those they

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you got to go read these stories they're

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just amazing I mean they're taking

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babies so taking adults take a look at

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this story it's on our Facebook page

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story though is more pertinent to

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tonight and that one was a question for

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a headline our UFO abductees being

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secretly watched yes I think we know the

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answer to that they most certainly are

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but here's a story that they wrote about

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it's about this woman Brenda who is on

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her way home and she was kidnapped by

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what she believes was the military and

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she was taken to a facility that was

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abandoned they took all these vials of

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blood from her and Tara gated her and

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finally set her free back to her car but

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she had been drugged

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she had been again you know had blood

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taken from her and demand they demanded

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answers to all these questions about her

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own alien abduction so the government

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doing that yeah I think they are and

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that because they had their own

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experiences through many many years and

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we're gonna get to at the bottom of this

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one way or another so but that was an

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interesting story and again she was sure

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she was taken to this abandoned facility

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she said there was it just seemed like

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an easy place that she said for them to

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take her which is horrible isn't that

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horrible it's scary to think that things

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like that are actually existing we tried

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to play it down or react like the person

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telling the story is a little bit off

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base but there are too many things

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validating what we're seeing and hearing

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over the years that they can't shake

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their head and say it doesn't exist

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anymore I know you just can't and

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anybody with a brain has to know that

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these things are happening the adduction

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is between aliens and humans are

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happening and also that the military or

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shadow government whoever the heck they

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are are getting involved in violating

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our human rights that's what they're

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doing because to drug us to take blood

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from us to interrogate us and a secret

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facility none of that should be allowed

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this is not a third world country where

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these things should be going on this is

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the United States of America shouldn't

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be happening here but like you said PK

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it does so fortunate I know we're good

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but we're gonna find out all the details

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here because again with us tonight

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these incredible guests and I just want

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to read something to you that I found

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really touching it is in let's see where

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are we it's in the foreword of the book

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and this is what this gentleman wrote

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about Betty and Bob and he's saying most

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of us are down here in the muck

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struggling with it again I'm taking this

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a little too context

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that's why Betty is such an inspiration

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to me when I was at the depths of my

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depression one of the things I did was

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read Betty's interviews and listen to

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her tapes just to hear the sound of her

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voice when she was talking I would look

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at the drawing she sent me Betty's

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experiences are the thing you grab onto

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when you are sinking what a beautiful

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statement to make I mean it's just

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lovely and then again I found this to be

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true Betty and Bob are an inspiration to

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so many people that have gone through

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these experiences and don't know where

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to turn and certainly their faith has

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gotten them through some of the toughest

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times but we're going to talk to them

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we're going to bring them on the show

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right now so Betty and Bob welcome to

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supernatural Girls thank you both for

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everything glad to have you in front of

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us tonight our audience I know is

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chomping at the bit yes we are so

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honored that you're on our show first

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thank you so much for giving us the

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opportunity to interview you about your

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great new book a lifting of the veil

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which is available on amazon.com along

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with the Andreasen affair which has been

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reprinted so you can buy both of them on

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Amazon now and I suggest you buy both

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because they're both excellent excellent

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books so what was it that made you want

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to write this book this is a little bit

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different this is in your own words and

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it's very personal well we're not

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writers but I mean things were happening

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and everything and we wanted to get that

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information out to everyone and it

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helped us by bringing it out it was more

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a chance to let people know how the

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phenomena and the government both

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affected us personally as a family

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something that was not in the other

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books yes exactly you know there were a

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lot of personal details that you were

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kind enough to share with us and as we

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were talking before the show all the

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different moves you had to make you

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moved from one state to another you know

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raising your 7 children the horrible car

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crash the death of your two sons all of

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these these things and somehow you've

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come through it all and I know Bob was

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with you for now how many years have you

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been married a long time 39 years yes 39

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years congratulations graduations just

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celebrated that anniversary it's

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wonderful and you two are a wonderful

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supportive couple you're great for each

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other and again you both had these

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abduction experiences the alien contact

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but you've had a lot of paranormal

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things go on that you wrote about in the

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book also things that weren't in the

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other books so do you want to share a

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few pieces of that with our audience

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you're gonna have to buy the book you

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guys if you want to read all about it in

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great detail because these stories are

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incredible but there was one word that

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two of you were taken together that was

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a 1978 when we lived in Connecticut and

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I we were getting ready for bed she was

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in the bathroom off the master bedroom

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and I was sitting out of bed taking my

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socks off and it was a whirring noise

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cyclic whirring noise over the house so

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I ran over to her not knowing why really

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but I ran over and I put my hands up in

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the doorjamb like this and all of a

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sudden both of us started being lifted

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up and she grabbed her grandpa wrapped

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her arms around me and I grabbed her

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we're pulled up together and as we were

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being pulled up color actually drained

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from us and we got into this area which

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turned out to be a huge craft she was

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taken to an area where apparently there

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was an initiation or some type of

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learning program and I was taken to

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another area by two very tall white

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robed beings and looking at her I

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couldn't tell who she was anymore

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because she turned into a golden figure

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as had everyone else that was on the

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side where she was so I couldn't tell

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her apart from anyone else oh my

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goodness she went through this

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initiation which was almost like a game

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I was taken into another room and I was

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told by these beings that it was a

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privilege for me to be there because I

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was not that advanced spiritually I

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hoped my judgment at that time I'm sure

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that's what they met Bob they did tell

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me some things for instance that on this

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plane on earth evil is a necessity it

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exists for a reason so that all of us

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have the opportunity to make the choice

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without evil there would be no choice so

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we have to be good or evil and the

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choices you make

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determine the path that we'll be on when

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you leave this plane and they also told

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me you do and they made it very clear

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they said you do not die the physical

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body dies but the light being and it's

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interesting they use that word light

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being because I've seen them and so his

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Betty

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they said the light being goes on

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through a much much longer endless

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process so that was basically what

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happened in 1978 of course they got more

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involved on Betty's part but I wasn't

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there to see that she can probably fill

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you in on what what happened once you

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got over on outside how much how much

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before you go on Betty just let me ask a

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couple questions how how long do you

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think you were there I mean you must

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have had some missing time when you came

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back were you there for an hour two

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hours all night how long was this

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abduction you know we never really got

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to find that out because it seemed like

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we heard the noise I rushed over to her

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and then it was almost like I turned

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around and walked back to bed however if

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they are not on linear time as we are so

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they can take you out at 8:01 and bring

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you back at 8:02 it's like no time has

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passed for you

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Wow so now when you got back did you

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look at each other and just say what the

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heck just happened exactly exactly

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because we didn't have memory at the

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time of the actual experience we knew

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something was strange and that the noise

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directly over the house was highly

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unusual it didn't sound like any

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aircraft or helicopter or anything like

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that well all we knew was something

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unusual had happened but that wasn't

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strange in that house sometimes we on

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one occasion we woke up at 3 o'clock in

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the morning and the windows are all open

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and the birds are outside chirping away

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like crazy at 3:00 a.m. you know and in

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the same house both the girls Bonnie and

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Cindy had seen

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people shadow people oh we all heard

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footsteps if we were downstairs they

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were upstairs if we were upstairs they

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were downstairs the most unusual thing

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in that house we came down the bedrooms

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were upstairs we came down one morning

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for breakfast all of the crown molding

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was on the floor the nails were still in

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the wall and our glassware there our

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glasses had little white squiggly marks

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and I'm like they were etched and a big

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spaghetti pot stainless steel pot with a

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rolled steel edge had split right

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through the rolled steel edge so

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something had to do that it took some

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kind of energy or force or whatever but

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that was only one of a few things

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there's the electrical appliances in

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that house would work when they felt

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like it the the neighbors kids were over

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and with Bonnie and Cindy visiting and

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they're in the living room and a light

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start going off and on off and on the

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kids ran home scared probably yeah the

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stove the electric stove sometimes would

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work sometimes it wouldn't and

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everything was checked all the

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connections the fuses everything there

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was never any problems found the

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basement light there was a hallway going

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down to the basement light goes out so I

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flipped the switch a couple times

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nothing happens so I put a new bulb in

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first step right

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flip the switch nothing happens so I'm

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scratching my head trying to figure out

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what's going on but I figured I had a

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heck put it we went to eat or something

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anyways that short time later light went

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on by itself another occasion I chased a

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man a full-bodied figure I chased him

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into the basement I saw him walk into

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our basement now we had no outdoor

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entrance or exit to that basement I got

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down there no one was there oh my god so

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and the girls saw these figures all the

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time in the house that the house was

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just plain strange what was really

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interesting

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let Betty tell you this she when we sold

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the house she bumped into the woman that

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had purchased it was her and her husband

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had purchased it after we left mm-hmm

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Betty can tell you what happened to them

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well yeah I was at the supermarket and I

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was surprised to see her in wine and I

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thought oh I'm gonna see how she likes

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the house and so I walked up to her and

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asked her and she says well something

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has happened there she said one evening

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we went out and all the lights were left

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off and when we came home we went to

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open the door and every light in the

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house went on from outside down in the

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cellar all inside all the lights were on

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and they had shut them all off so that

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would I I was kind of leery of asking

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her that question because oh yeah you

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know here she bought the house and then

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she came out with that that I thought

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uh-oh but at that time when Bob and I

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were taken up I was taken up and I

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grabbed hold of him and we went up and

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we turned like other was colors all

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around us and he went one way and I went

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another way at that time Bob's daughter

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Wendy was staying over with the girls

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and I didn't know it but evidently they

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two had been taken up because when I was

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taken up I was changed into like a light

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being a golden light and there were

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other people there that were also like

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golden light and they seemed to know me

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and me know them and we would touch

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hands with our hands together and it was

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almost as if we both and all of us had a

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promise about doing something but anyway

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there there was this long round walkway

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and I had not seen Bob a sense of we

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were taken up and I have no look over

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across the walkway because I was looking

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at three tables on the lower part of

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this room and there were blank

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it's over three girls and I'm wondering

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what is going on and at that time I was

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starting to change

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I was changed into a golden person and I

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looked over further and I could see Bob

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along with two very tall beings with

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white hair and in white robes and they

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were escorting him someplace else I

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tried to yell to him but no no voice

509
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that he would know and I'm waving my

510
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hands and everything but he did not

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recognize me because I was just a light

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being after that they took him and I was

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all upset looking down because I knew it

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was the three girls they had down in

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that room and were examining them these

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other golden light beings came over to

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me almost as if they knew what I was

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going through because of the girls I was

519
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so upset and now let me disappear and

520
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let me just Betty laughs let me just ask

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you a question

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you saved the three girls do you mean

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your daughters or just three girls no

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they were three girls three and my two

525
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daughters and Bob's daughter she was

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sewing overnight with my two dogs so

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they were the ones you were looking at

528
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and that's why you were so upset I was

529
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upset over yeah and the the beings came

530
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over to me the light beings and they

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held the hand on me almost like a mother

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and they were petting me and it took

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away that fear and my thought about what

534
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was going on and we continued around

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this edge way into another room and in

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this room it was like a Bannister and it

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had these silver plates on it with

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lights and what happened was the being

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stood the light being started to lay

540
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back on these the rest of the banister

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and so I thought I may as well do it too

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and I did that when when I did all of a

543
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sudden we tumbled backwards into a ball

544
00:25:26,060 --> 00:25:25,250
and there was a ribbon of light that

545
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:26,070
went down

546
00:25:32,540 --> 00:25:28,890
from this area into a very lower area

547
00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:32,550
and we just rolled down that that ribbon

548
00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:35,370
of light and we became that color

549
00:25:41,780 --> 00:25:38,370
briefly we stood there and then we sat

550
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:41,790
in a very strange motion our legs were

551
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:47,970
in a very odd situation briefly and then

552
00:25:53,270 --> 00:25:51,210
someone came another one of the beings

553
00:25:56,090 --> 00:25:53,280
came and they had all these tools

554
00:25:59,360 --> 00:25:56,100
different shaped objects and they were

555
00:26:01,750 --> 00:25:59,370
passing each one of us the objects then

556
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:01,760
we were brought into another room and

557
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:05,610
one of the people of the beings that

558
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:09,450
were there they were given a rod with

559
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:12,240
two points on it and we didn't know what

560
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:15,450
they were until the game started in the

561
00:26:19,340 --> 00:26:17,610
other room it was sort of a game we were

562
00:26:22,250 --> 00:26:19,350
playing where we had to throw the

563
00:26:25,100 --> 00:26:22,260
objects and then you had to grab one of

564
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:25,110
them and it sounds almost like that

565
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:27,600
before you go on cuz I don't want you to

566
00:26:32,300 --> 00:26:30,690
give away all the information I want

567
00:26:34,900 --> 00:26:32,310
people to buy your book to get every

568
00:26:37,490 --> 00:26:34,910
detail but this is a fascinating

569
00:26:40,370 --> 00:26:37,500
abduction experience and that you have

570
00:26:43,550 --> 00:26:40,380
such a clear memory of all of these

571
00:26:46,910 --> 00:26:43,560
things that they did so now let me ask

572
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:46,920
you when you all came back and you

573
00:26:52,550 --> 00:26:49,410
realize the girls had been taken - did

574
00:26:56,120 --> 00:26:52,560
the girls have any memory of it no I

575
00:26:59,270 --> 00:26:56,130
don't think they did because they never

576
00:27:02,600 --> 00:26:59,280
said anything to me mm-hmm particular

577
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:02,610
time I had might recall of the girls

578
00:27:10,490 --> 00:27:06,000
being there until I was on that walkway

579
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:10,500
and saw the three of them Oh

580
00:27:16,550 --> 00:27:13,650
Barbossa and Wendy his daughter had a

581
00:27:18,380 --> 00:27:16,560
dream that night of what hello Kay so

582
00:27:21,620 --> 00:27:18,390
she did have a little bit of a bleed

583
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:21,630
through in her dreaming world about this

584
00:27:26,810 --> 00:27:24,570
it's it's really it's an incredible

585
00:27:28,220 --> 00:27:26,820
experience that you both have had and

586
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:28,230
you shared this together although you

587
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:29,850
were in two different parts of this

588
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:32,880
space craft or whatever it was but it's

589
00:27:38,540 --> 00:27:36,960
it's really now again we're gonna take a

590
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:38,550
break in a couple of minutes and we've

591
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:39,690
got some

592
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:41,850
questions for you coming up in the chat

593
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:43,650
room so we'll get to all of it

594
00:27:48,110 --> 00:27:46,410
but your thought is that they weren't

595
00:27:50,690 --> 00:27:48,120
trying to do anybody any harm

596
00:27:53,780 --> 00:27:50,700
right no definitely no way it was a

597
00:27:57,230 --> 00:27:53,790
learning lesson for us mm-hmm so both of

598
00:28:00,350 --> 00:27:57,240
you were on a learning curve over with

599
00:28:03,500 --> 00:28:00,360
the tall white beans yes right here

600
00:28:06,110 --> 00:28:03,510
probably stating that people we had a

601
00:28:10,250 --> 00:28:06,120
game and then we came out of a door and

602
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:10,260
we came back in our own farm and and

603
00:28:16,730 --> 00:28:14,010
that was so fascinating that you saw the

604
00:28:19,100 --> 00:28:16,740
beings that Bob saw and that you saw

605
00:28:20,900 --> 00:28:19,110
yourself as a being of light and Bob saw

606
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:20,910
you as a being of light so there's quite

607
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:24,320
a lot of corroboration here of of this

608
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:28,050
experience it's really fascinating PK

609
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:31,200
what do you make of this I'm listening

610
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:33,450
and I'm thinking to myself do you

611
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:36,210
remember the house number of the place

612
00:28:45,140 --> 00:28:40,530
that you were living then 99 Draper

613
00:28:47,630 --> 00:28:45,150
Avenue 99 that stretch nine is universal

614
00:28:50,020 --> 00:28:47,640
and it's for the world at large and it

615
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:50,030
deals with this high spirituality of

616
00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:56,250
things in two different places that you

617
00:29:01,520 --> 00:28:58,050
didn't in it has happened let's take a

618
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:01,530
look at the house numbers yeah how they

619
00:29:06,530 --> 00:29:04,050
connect with your personal years as well

620
00:29:09,950 --> 00:29:06,540
let's see what was drunk what forward

621
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:09,960
yeah that was really really unusual I

622
00:29:16,330 --> 00:29:12,240
mean everything was different you know

623
00:29:19,070 --> 00:29:16,340
and it just kept moving moving moving

624
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:19,080
but you guys it's not just the house

625
00:29:24,410 --> 00:29:21,440
with you boss because I know you've had

626
00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:24,420
wild experiences no matter what house

627
00:29:30,410 --> 00:29:27,510
you're in maybe one house is more than

628
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:30,420
the other but in every house I would put

629
00:29:37,550 --> 00:29:34,080
money on the fact that you've had

630
00:29:39,890 --> 00:29:37,560
paranormal experiences throughout which

631
00:29:42,590 --> 00:29:39,900
is incredible I think is the testament

632
00:29:44,750 --> 00:29:42,600
to your experiences in the past with the

633
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:44,760
ETS it changes your energy but we're

634
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:46,320
gonna have to take a very short break

635
00:29:52,350 --> 00:29:50,010
and so everybody stay tuned please write

636
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:52,360
your questions in in the chat room and

637
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:57,520
is I are in chat calm that's I are in

638
00:30:01,650 --> 00:29:59,679
chat calm

639
00:30:03,930 --> 00:30:01,660
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640
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:03,940
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641
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644
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646
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648
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649
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650
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651
00:30:35,150 --> 00:30:30,820
to Supernatural girls radio we'll be

652
00:30:40,020 --> 00:30:37,650
welcome back everyone to supernatural

653
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:40,030
girls radio I'm your host Patricia Baker

654
00:30:46,020 --> 00:30:43,450
here with my co-host from Tucson PK and

655
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:46,030
our incredible guest tonight best

656
00:30:51,330 --> 00:30:48,730
buddies with us we love these people

657
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:51,340
Betty and Reyes and Luca and Bob Luca

658
00:30:56,190 --> 00:30:53,440
they are the authors of a great new book

659
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:56,200
and it's right here it is called let me

660
00:31:01,890 --> 00:30:57,730
see if I can get it right in the camera

661
00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:01,900
the lifting of the veil yes there it is

662
00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:04,240
this is a book not to be missed it is

663
00:31:09,630 --> 00:31:07,809
very personal it is very touching and

664
00:31:11,010 --> 00:31:09,640
it's very informational it's got

665
00:31:12,930 --> 00:31:11,020
everything in it you want to know about

666
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:12,940
these experiences including the

667
00:31:17,340 --> 00:31:15,010
government and what they've been up to

668
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:17,350
and how they harass people relentlessly

669
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:18,490
that have been involved in this

670
00:31:21,780 --> 00:31:20,320
phenomenon but right now we've got a

671
00:31:25,340 --> 00:31:21,790
couple questions from the chat room

672
00:31:28,380 --> 00:31:25,350
we're gonna turn to now this one is from

673
00:31:30,810 --> 00:31:28,390
kalatu who is saying good day Betty and

674
00:31:34,289 --> 00:31:30,820
Bob do you remember if your sense of

675
00:31:36,539 --> 00:31:34,299
smell touch taste sound etc in this

676
00:31:38,430 --> 00:31:36,549
place seem familiar or could you detect

677
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:38,440
something was out of place and this he

678
00:31:42,450 --> 00:31:39,970
was talking about with your abduction

679
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:42,460
experience when you were both taken

680
00:31:48,150 --> 00:31:44,530
together do you remember anything that

681
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:51,160
well not in that particular one and an

682
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:54,770
earlier one I did notice the inside was

683
00:32:01,840 --> 00:31:58,010
cooler than it was outside and it was a

684
00:32:08,220 --> 00:32:01,850
slight odor of mostly after lightning

685
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:08,230
discharge of possibly ozone oh yes yes

686
00:32:13,870 --> 00:32:10,730
we've heard this before about burning

687
00:32:16,270 --> 00:32:13,880
ozone that when you're looking in on

688
00:32:18,190 --> 00:32:16,280
people at least in the in the past that

689
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:18,200
you could smell the burning ozone that's

690
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:20,330
how you know they were around so that's

691
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:22,730
interesting you bring that up now here's

692
00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:25,120
another question this is from Betsy

693
00:32:29,950 --> 00:32:27,200
Bessie's asking Betty went through

694
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:29,960
several horrendous tragedies that she

695
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:31,970
felt the aliens had tried to warn her

696
00:32:34,750 --> 00:32:34,370
about if they foresee events in the

697
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:34,760
future

698
00:32:41,380 --> 00:32:37,730
and have such amazing abilities why

699
00:32:46,060 --> 00:32:41,390
wouldn't they prevent these events is it

700
00:32:48,850 --> 00:32:46,070
our destiny yeah they told me that they

701
00:32:51,700 --> 00:32:48,860
wouldn't be able to change it I did go

702
00:32:55,450 --> 00:32:51,710
through quite a few things my two sons

703
00:32:59,170 --> 00:32:55,460
were killed in an auto accident and now

704
00:33:01,870 --> 00:32:59,180
I've lost Becky you know of Becky and I

705
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:01,880
had quite a few hardships because my

706
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:07,010
ex-husband had just taken off and I had

707
00:33:12,970 --> 00:33:09,890
a big farm to take care of and so it was

708
00:33:14,890 --> 00:33:12,980
difficult very difficult and again

709
00:33:18,490 --> 00:33:14,900
that's what I I commend you I'm being

710
00:33:21,340 --> 00:33:18,500
you know so giving about your personal

711
00:33:23,020 --> 00:33:21,350
life sharing these details and again it

712
00:33:25,450 --> 00:33:23,030
when PK and I were reading this it was

713
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:25,460
like we were right there with you but

714
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:26,930
that's a good question from Betsy

715
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:29,210
because you do wonder why don't they

716
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:32,090
intervene you know why don't they help

717
00:33:37,630 --> 00:33:35,450
us out and even with Becky that was one

718
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:37,640
of our questions when she had cancer

719
00:33:42,190 --> 00:33:40,130
why wouldn't they intervene with her she

720
00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:42,200
was just such a talented psychic medium

721
00:33:46,810 --> 00:33:44,510
she went through these experiences of

722
00:33:49,270 --> 00:33:46,820
abduction with you she had her own

723
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:49,280
Guardians around her but when it came to

724
00:33:52,060 --> 00:33:49,760
this

725
00:33:54,910 --> 00:33:52,070
there was really no help in sight was

726
00:33:57,970 --> 00:33:54,920
there no there wasn't

727
00:33:59,410 --> 00:33:57,980
Becky had a quite a few unusual things

728
00:34:02,800 --> 00:33:59,420
happen and

729
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:02,810
one thing she used to take pictures of

730
00:34:13,090 --> 00:34:06,320
augs outside her house there were

731
00:34:16,570 --> 00:34:13,100
hundreds of obvious in each job was the

732
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:16,580
form of a cross so I've never seen

733
00:34:21,940 --> 00:34:20,210
anybody hmm do that before never take a

734
00:34:23,970 --> 00:34:21,950
picture like that and there were

735
00:34:26,350 --> 00:34:23,980
hundreds of them out in her yard

736
00:34:27,700 --> 00:34:26,360
incredible well she was just such a

737
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:27,710
great talent

738
00:34:32,980 --> 00:34:30,050
she's completely missed here we miss her

739
00:34:34,930 --> 00:34:32,990
dearly and yes she was able to do

740
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:34,940
incredible things speaking right in the

741
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:37,850
angelic language and things like that

742
00:34:44,020 --> 00:34:41,690
so yes we miss her terribly and again it

743
00:34:46,870 --> 00:34:44,030
is a question you know we always ask why

744
00:34:49,150 --> 00:34:46,880
didn't they intervene and so here's

745
00:34:50,890 --> 00:34:49,160
Betsy asking the same question about you

746
00:34:52,390 --> 00:34:50,900
Betty and some of the things that you

747
00:34:55,270 --> 00:34:52,400
went through but they explained to you

748
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:55,280
they don't do that so it's good question

749
00:34:59,710 --> 00:34:57,650
it possibly is it although they can't

750
00:35:01,990 --> 00:34:59,720
intervene but by allowing you to be

751
00:35:04,660 --> 00:35:02,000
aware that they're preparing you in a

752
00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:04,670
way to make it less traumatic for you I

753
00:35:11,020 --> 00:35:07,730
think that is the case yes yeah because

754
00:35:14,050 --> 00:35:11,030
that's what it feels like yeah very

755
00:35:16,990 --> 00:35:14,060
here's a here is a question from Ben

756
00:35:18,850 --> 00:35:17,000
he's asking Bob what did the white

757
00:35:23,710 --> 00:35:18,860
haired beings reveal to you about the

758
00:35:25,630 --> 00:35:23,720
nature and purpose of animals basically

759
00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:25,640
what they said would that we would be

760
00:35:33,070 --> 00:35:29,510
surprised if we knew the importance of

761
00:35:36,670 --> 00:35:33,080
animals and that those people presently

762
00:35:40,780 --> 00:35:36,680
in our realm that mistreat them we'll be

763
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:40,790
paying later I don't know exactly what

764
00:35:46,270 --> 00:35:43,040
they meant but there would be a severe

765
00:35:52,210 --> 00:35:46,280
penalty to pay for those that mistreated

766
00:35:54,250 --> 00:35:52,220
animals very happy to hear that yes yes

767
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:54,260
because there's no excuse for that at

768
00:35:59,320 --> 00:35:57,650
all no no we're innocent animals yeah

769
00:36:02,590 --> 00:35:59,330
that's why I'm glad to hear this great

770
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:02,600
news yipee so people should think twice

771
00:36:06,820 --> 00:36:04,250
before they try to take out their

772
00:36:09,490 --> 00:36:06,830
aggressions on a hopless and it's an

773
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:09,500
animal well that's good well then I hope

774
00:36:13,180 --> 00:36:12,050
that answers your question so again so

775
00:36:14,859 --> 00:36:13,190
many things have happened

776
00:36:18,569 --> 00:36:14,869
you I'm like okay my goodness where do

777
00:36:20,859 --> 00:36:18,579
we go next this is this wide field of

778
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:20,869
experiences with you both but let's take

779
00:36:27,069 --> 00:36:24,650
a look in at some of your experiences

780
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:27,079
with the government how about if we

781
00:36:37,059 --> 00:36:33,170
start with the helicopters well once the

782
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:37,069
first book came out in 1979 our house

783
00:36:43,870 --> 00:36:39,290
began to be over flown by black

784
00:36:46,569 --> 00:36:43,880
helicopters mostly hew euh ones that had

785
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:46,579
no identification numbers on them which

786
00:36:54,670 --> 00:36:50,720
is against federal law they got to be so

787
00:36:55,900 --> 00:36:54,680
often and so low that our neighbors one

788
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:55,910
of our neighbors who is a City

789
00:37:01,140 --> 00:36:58,400
Councilwoman started to document the

790
00:37:03,970 --> 00:37:01,150
times that these over flights took place

791
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:03,980
when I contacted ray fowler he thought

792
00:37:10,329 --> 00:37:06,050
well maybe you just happen to be in a

793
00:37:13,859 --> 00:37:10,339
flight path we moved from that house a

794
00:37:16,359 --> 00:37:13,869
year later to Cheshire Connecticut and

795
00:37:18,099 --> 00:37:16,369
lo and behold we weren't there a week

796
00:37:21,849 --> 00:37:18,109
and the flight started over Cheshire

797
00:37:23,980 --> 00:37:21,859
Connecticut they also followed us on

798
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:23,990
vacation everywhere from New Hampshire

799
00:37:29,980 --> 00:37:28,010
to Florida at times they buzzed our car

800
00:37:32,349 --> 00:37:29,990
while we're on the road in rural areas

801
00:37:34,660 --> 00:37:32,359
at one time they passed over our car to

802
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:34,670
Juiz passed over us at approximately

803
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:37,490
fifty to sixty feet of altitude and

804
00:37:43,329 --> 00:37:41,690
that's kind of intimidating I couldn't

805
00:37:46,890 --> 00:37:43,339
resist I had to give the pilots the old

806
00:37:50,050 --> 00:37:46,900
single finger wave to let them know what

807
00:37:52,450 --> 00:37:50,060
well we also had some fun with him I had

808
00:37:55,450 --> 00:37:52,460
a friend in the military that was had a

809
00:37:57,700 --> 00:37:55,460
sense of humor like my own and he made

810
00:37:58,480 --> 00:37:57,710
us an exact replica of a surface-to-air

811
00:38:01,900 --> 00:37:58,490
missile

812
00:38:04,930 --> 00:38:01,910
well the helicopters usually approached

813
00:38:07,359 --> 00:38:04,940
our house from the north so we set up

814
00:38:10,420 --> 00:38:07,369
this missile and the south side of the

815
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:10,430
house I had flown over the house myself

816
00:38:16,569 --> 00:38:14,480
and I do see where this cement pad was

817
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:16,579
until you were pretty much over the

818
00:38:20,890 --> 00:38:19,130
house most directly so we set the

819
00:38:23,530 --> 00:38:20,900
missile up there and I told Betty I've

820
00:38:26,980 --> 00:38:23,540
watched I said this should be fun well I

821
00:38:29,830 --> 00:38:26,990
along comes this black huey low-altitude

822
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:29,840
as he cleared the roof I thought the

823
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:31,520
blades were going to break he pulled

824
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:33,650
that into such a sharp right-hand

825
00:38:40,510 --> 00:38:38,930
evasive maneuver sideways Felder I said

826
00:38:41,859 --> 00:38:40,520
I'll bet you that fellas on the way back

827
00:38:47,250 --> 00:38:41,869
to where he came from he gonna get

828
00:38:53,109 --> 00:38:51,250
yes they did not expect that we had a

829
00:38:56,410 --> 00:38:53,119
little fun with them some time to time

830
00:38:58,690 --> 00:38:56,420
but now most people have never found out

831
00:39:02,380 --> 00:38:58,700
exactly where these helicopters came

832
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:02,390
from there's a very elite army unit

833
00:39:12,370 --> 00:39:07,040
called the night stalkers and they are

834
00:39:14,590 --> 00:39:12,380
base Fort Campbell Kentucky there's

835
00:39:16,270 --> 00:39:14,600
approximately 300 helicopters at that

836
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:16,280
base it's one of the biggest ones it's

837
00:39:22,330 --> 00:39:18,730
the biggest one in the country

838
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:22,340
interesting thing is for people that are

839
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:25,520
familiar with the Betty cash Vickie

840
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:27,410
Landrum case where they were severely

841
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:32,810
got radiation burns as this UFO hovered

842
00:39:37,930 --> 00:39:35,690
over their car twenty three Chinook

843
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:37,940
helicopters showed up and escorted that

844
00:39:43,930 --> 00:39:41,810
thing away those helicopters had to

845
00:39:45,940 --> 00:39:43,940
belong to the US government nobody else

846
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:45,950
can afford to operate 23 of those

847
00:39:51,670 --> 00:39:48,800
helicopters but the part that really

848
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:51,680
irritates me the government denied any

849
00:39:56,650 --> 00:39:54,320
involvement those women and the grandson

850
00:39:59,560 --> 00:39:56,660
suffered rates severe radiation burns

851
00:40:01,780 --> 00:39:59,570
the skin blistering hair falling out the

852
00:40:04,810 --> 00:40:01,790
government would never admit to

853
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:04,820
involvement they never paid a penny for

854
00:40:13,300 --> 00:40:08,960
their medical care and this all started

855
00:40:17,620 --> 00:40:13,310
back in Roswell I want to believe that

856
00:40:21,130 --> 00:40:17,630
or not this is a huge this is a huge

857
00:40:23,710 --> 00:40:21,140
problem how that that craft was one of

858
00:40:26,380 --> 00:40:23,720
ours and something was malfunctioning

859
00:40:31,500 --> 00:40:26,390
and these people got caught up in its

860
00:40:34,359 --> 00:40:31,510
wake and they they were harmed for sure

861
00:40:36,070 --> 00:40:34,369
yet we have all of this denial going on

862
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:36,080
and these poor people never get any

863
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:38,720
medical support any help now didn't I

864
00:40:43,180 --> 00:40:40,490
think one of them even passed away

865
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:43,190
from the experience didn't they one of

866
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:50,210
them did yes but anyways it's a terrible

867
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:53,570
situation because not only do abductees

868
00:41:00,130 --> 00:40:55,760
we've talked about this a lot get a lot

869
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:00,140
of guff from everybody else who doesn't

870
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:02,570
understand the phenomenon but they also

871
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:04,610
get harassed by the government so you

872
00:41:11,530 --> 00:41:07,130
guys get it from all sides you don't get

873
00:41:14,109 --> 00:41:11,540
any kind of a break with us well if if

874
00:41:18,609 --> 00:41:14,119
we go back to Roswell after Roswell

875
00:41:23,170 --> 00:41:18,619
happened policies were set in place the

876
00:41:27,310 --> 00:41:23,180
policies were range from denial ridicule

877
00:41:31,420 --> 00:41:27,320
and intimidation because of those

878
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:31,430
policies everyone in the future that

879
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:33,890
that reported something serious and I'll

880
00:41:41,170 --> 00:41:36,560
start with Betty and Barney Hill mm-hmm

881
00:41:43,450 --> 00:41:41,180
my wife and I herbert Shermer police

882
00:41:46,300 --> 00:41:43,460
officer he lost his job lost his home

883
00:41:48,820 --> 00:41:46,310
lost his wife Lonnie Zamora state

884
00:41:51,580 --> 00:41:48,830
trooper had a highly credible sighting

885
00:41:53,500 --> 00:41:51,590
of an a UFO on the ground he was so

886
00:41:56,050 --> 00:41:53,510
harassed he gave up his job as a state

887
00:41:59,170 --> 00:41:56,060
trooper was managing a gasoline station

888
00:42:01,480 --> 00:41:59,180
and right up to today with Larry Warren

889
00:42:04,590 --> 00:42:01,490
who reported the incident of Bentwaters

890
00:42:07,210 --> 00:42:04,600
he is still being attacked to this day

891
00:42:10,060 --> 00:42:07,220
because of policies that the government

892
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:10,070
put in effect and you know my view is

893
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:12,170
hey it's because these policies have

894
00:42:16,690 --> 00:42:14,690
room people's lives honest people that

895
00:42:17,770 --> 00:42:16,700
are behaving what they've seen I think

896
00:42:18,430 --> 00:42:17,780
the government ought to be held

897
00:42:21,700 --> 00:42:18,440
accountable

898
00:42:23,950 --> 00:42:21,710
I agree cause I think it's time then it

899
00:42:25,210 --> 00:42:23,960
happened and one word about Roswell to

900
00:42:29,620 --> 00:42:25,220
that I like to get in because people

901
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:29,630
have been so misled they think that the

902
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:32,330
balloon supposed project mogul that

903
00:42:38,050 --> 00:42:34,160
crashed at Roswell was an isolated

904
00:42:40,930 --> 00:42:38,060
incident it was not the government

905
00:42:43,710 --> 00:42:40,940
contracted New York University not only

906
00:42:46,510 --> 00:42:43,720
to set up those balloon trains but to

907
00:42:48,940 --> 00:42:46,520
figure the best way to control them and

908
00:42:50,349 --> 00:42:48,950
track them and by control I mean they

909
00:42:54,220 --> 00:42:50,359
wanted balloons that would stay between

910
00:42:57,250 --> 00:42:54,230
30 and 40,000 feet they had so nouns

911
00:43:00,280 --> 00:42:57,260
bars attached to listen for the Soviets

912
00:43:03,220 --> 00:43:00,290
setting off nuclear devices that was the

913
00:43:05,290 --> 00:43:03,230
whole purpose of them well in the first

914
00:43:06,940 --> 00:43:05,300
place there was a hundred and ten of

915
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:06,950
those balloons launched and they're not

916
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:09,170
still up there so obviously they all

917
00:43:14,590 --> 00:43:12,530
came down right when one crashed at

918
00:43:19,050 --> 00:43:14,600
Roswell supposedly crashed at Roswell

919
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:19,060
they said that meth major Jesse Marcel

920
00:43:27,820 --> 00:43:22,720
couldn't identify neoprene balloons

921
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:27,830
plastic this the sonobuoy was had an

922
00:43:35,950 --> 00:43:31,970
aluminum frame vacuum to an assortment

923
00:43:38,170 --> 00:43:35,960
of vacuum tubes wires the radar

924
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:38,180
reflector was made of tin foil not

925
00:43:41,980 --> 00:43:40,250
anybody in the military especially that

926
00:43:44,140 --> 00:43:41,990
had a cigarette or a Hershey bar I knew

927
00:43:48,430 --> 00:43:44,150
what tin foil was and yet they claimed

928
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:48,440
major myself couldn't tell okay that's

929
00:43:53,859 --> 00:43:50,930
not bad enough what I did find out and

930
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:53,869
is documented every one of those things

931
00:43:57,790 --> 00:43:56,570
had a return to tag on him the army

932
00:44:00,190 --> 00:43:57,800
didn't want to be involved when they

933
00:44:04,030 --> 00:44:00,200
came down so they had return tags that

934
00:44:06,099 --> 00:44:04,040
said return to n New York University now

935
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:06,109
as our military that stupid they

936
00:44:08,700 --> 00:44:08,090
couldn't read at the time I don't think

937
00:44:11,140 --> 00:44:08,710
so

938
00:44:12,010 --> 00:44:11,150
yeah they couldn't read a tag yeah

939
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:12,020
exactly

940
00:44:15,849 --> 00:44:14,480
no that's a very good point Bob as an

941
00:44:19,270 --> 00:44:15,859
excellent point

942
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:19,280
yeah it's it's just it's it's beyond

943
00:44:23,740 --> 00:44:21,890
insane that they get away with this it

944
00:44:24,010 --> 00:44:23,750
is beyond insane that they get away with

945
00:44:26,590 --> 00:44:24,020
it

946
00:44:29,230 --> 00:44:26,600
now here's here's the question again I

947
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:29,240
says many abductees have the unusual Rh

948
00:44:34,620 --> 00:44:32,240
negative blood type dude does Betty Bob

949
00:44:41,980 --> 00:44:34,630
or any her family have this blood type

950
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:41,990
my dad Betty sister viola I think twins

951
00:44:46,599 --> 00:44:43,130
were born

952
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:46,609
my sister violet and a boy and the boy

953
00:44:54,310 --> 00:44:51,920
was born still still baby so it's still

954
00:45:00,430 --> 00:44:54,320
fine that's because of that so yes

955
00:45:04,750 --> 00:45:00,440
that's now here's the rest of it excuse

956
00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:04,760
me the question are there hybrids coming

957
00:45:07,690 --> 00:45:06,560
into our world now because you talk

958
00:45:10,599 --> 00:45:07,700
about eggs being

959
00:45:12,430 --> 00:45:10,609
in fetuses being taken are the hybrids

960
00:45:15,130 --> 00:45:12,440
coming into our world that's what they

961
00:45:18,099 --> 00:45:15,140
want to know well you know I can't speak

962
00:45:19,660 --> 00:45:18,109
on that personally because I don't I

963
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:19,670
don't like to speak on anything that I

964
00:45:24,819 --> 00:45:22,730
haven't experienced or researched it

965
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:24,829
appears that's the case but I mean

966
00:45:30,370 --> 00:45:26,089
there's no way I could tell anyone for

967
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:30,380
sure that that's this upset sometimes I

968
00:45:38,289 --> 00:45:35,450
thought I'm a high priest are you

969
00:45:41,650 --> 00:45:38,299
because a few facts

970
00:45:44,349 --> 00:45:41,660
my mother had when she was younger a tip

971
00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:44,359
it might have been a dream but she said

972
00:45:50,589 --> 00:45:47,049
there were these small people on her bed

973
00:45:52,900 --> 00:45:50,599
walking in a circle saying saying

974
00:45:54,849 --> 00:45:52,910
different things and she thought they

975
00:45:59,079 --> 00:45:54,859
were swearing at her now it could have

976
00:46:03,220 --> 00:45:59,089
been a dream only thing is after that

977
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:03,230
happened in Ashba ham the investigators

978
00:46:08,170 --> 00:46:06,170
wanted to know if they could speak with

979
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:08,180
my father because of course he was at

980
00:46:14,170 --> 00:46:10,160
first to see them coming down the hill

981
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:14,180
and so I asked my mother and I said mama

982
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:16,490
do you mind if they come over to see you

983
00:46:21,130 --> 00:46:19,010
she said no no no Betty don't send them

984
00:46:26,650 --> 00:46:21,140
over here and he she wasn't talking

985
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:26,660
about the investigators she thought so

986
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:29,119
she was scared of them yeah she was

987
00:46:33,549 --> 00:46:30,650
quite afraid because she was in the

988
00:46:36,910 --> 00:46:33,559
living room when they came in as well I

989
00:46:42,099 --> 00:46:36,920
think put my mother and the children in

990
00:46:44,980 --> 00:46:42,109
a state of suspended animation right be

991
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:44,990
another coincidence my mother also had

992
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:47,290
an experience where she remembered the

993
00:46:53,319 --> 00:46:50,960
inside of a craft but she would never

994
00:46:55,180 --> 00:46:53,329
undergo hypnosis she was afraid of it

995
00:46:57,549 --> 00:46:55,190
until the day she died she would never

996
00:46:59,440 --> 00:46:57,559
talk about it and I never undergo

997
00:47:03,460 --> 00:46:59,450
hypnosis even though we tried to get her

998
00:47:05,980 --> 00:47:03,470
to go several times well they say that

999
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:05,990
this is yeah but I think this is

1000
00:47:10,450 --> 00:47:07,609
intergenerational we've had enough

1001
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:10,460
guests on the show that have David

1002
00:47:14,289 --> 00:47:12,410
Jacobs who've talked about this and they

1003
00:47:16,420 --> 00:47:14,299
say it just goes from one generation to

1004
00:47:18,299 --> 00:47:16,430
the next so certainly it would make

1005
00:47:21,029 --> 00:47:18,309
sense it's in both of your families

1006
00:47:23,819 --> 00:47:21,039
there's another question

1007
00:47:26,099 --> 00:47:23,829
this one is about but this year's

1008
00:47:31,620 --> 00:47:26,109
another question is what do you think is

1009
00:47:33,390 --> 00:47:31,630
going on in Marfa Texas I don't know you

1010
00:47:34,469 --> 00:47:33,400
guys ever hear of something going on in

1011
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:34,479
Marfa Texas

1012
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:36,160
yeah they talking about the Marfa lights

1013
00:47:46,109 --> 00:47:43,119
I assume that's what you're right yeah

1014
00:47:49,169 --> 00:47:46,119
they they said that scientists tried to

1015
00:47:51,539 --> 00:47:49,179
explain them away as reflections of car

1016
00:47:53,489 --> 00:47:51,549
headlights miles away and all but the

1017
00:47:55,529 --> 00:47:53,499
Indians have been reporting those for

1018
00:47:57,689 --> 00:47:55,539
hundreds of years and there were no car

1019
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:57,699
headlights at that time it's some type

1020
00:48:02,159 --> 00:48:00,400
of either natural phenomena or something

1021
00:48:05,039 --> 00:48:02,169
that we're just don't understand

1022
00:48:08,189 --> 00:48:05,049
scientifically hmm

1023
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:08,199
okay thank you for that now here's a

1024
00:48:12,359 --> 00:48:10,089
question for Betty Betty most of your

1025
00:48:15,269 --> 00:48:12,369
experiences seem to involve the topic of

1026
00:48:18,419 --> 00:48:15,279
spiritual growth will you please give us

1027
00:48:25,620 --> 00:48:18,429
some idea of what exactly spiritual

1028
00:48:30,140 --> 00:48:25,630
growth means to you well in 1967 when I

1029
00:48:34,620 --> 00:48:30,150
had that experience the one in the light

1030
00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:34,630
had spoken to me I feel that God is

1031
00:48:41,339 --> 00:48:38,169
involved in all of this we don't know

1032
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:41,349
why you know why it's happening the way

1033
00:48:48,569 --> 00:48:44,249
it is but I do feel that he is very much

1034
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:48,579
involved in all of this going on so we

1035
00:48:55,559 --> 00:48:53,890
shouldn't fear okay so okay so that's

1036
00:48:58,859 --> 00:48:55,569
important because I know a lot of people

1037
00:48:59,969 --> 00:48:58,869
do get afraid of this experience and

1038
00:49:03,559 --> 00:48:59,979
some people have not had good

1039
00:49:05,789 --> 00:49:03,569
experiences you've had a pretty unusual

1040
00:49:10,709 --> 00:49:05,799
experience both of you this way where

1041
00:49:12,539 --> 00:49:10,719
you weren't tortured so that's good but

1042
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:12,549
you did have some startling things

1043
00:49:17,099 --> 00:49:15,130
happen and that's all in the book about

1044
00:49:19,890 --> 00:49:17,109
your eye being taken out and then

1045
00:49:22,709 --> 00:49:19,900
putting some kind of device in to your

1046
00:49:24,329 --> 00:49:22,719
brain so that it wasn't all you know a

1047
00:49:27,989 --> 00:49:24,339
walk in the park for you either

1048
00:49:29,999 --> 00:49:27,999
but you were able to somehow work with

1049
00:49:33,059 --> 00:49:30,009
all of this information and still feel

1050
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:33,069
like things are being done for good

1051
00:49:38,849 --> 00:49:35,010
right

1052
00:49:42,270 --> 00:49:38,859
90-something in 1967 when I stood before

1053
00:49:45,420 --> 00:49:42,280
the light I heard the boys say to me I

1054
00:49:48,660 --> 00:49:45,430
have chosen you to show the world now

1055
00:49:51,450 --> 00:49:48,670
fifty years have gone by fifty years and

1056
00:49:54,270 --> 00:49:51,460
I was saying to Bob what am I supposed

1057
00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:54,280
to show he says you've already fulfilled

1058
00:49:59,960 --> 00:49:57,280
it he says you've telling that people

1059
00:50:03,540 --> 00:49:59,970
what has happened to you you filled that

1060
00:50:07,290 --> 00:50:03,550
already so right a lot better after you

1061
00:50:08,990 --> 00:50:07,300
said thank you yes and it's true and

1062
00:50:11,490 --> 00:50:09,000
you've come through so many of your own

1063
00:50:14,099 --> 00:50:11,500
hardships and we all have them in our

1064
00:50:17,220 --> 00:50:14,109
lives but again you're a shining example

1065
00:50:18,900 --> 00:50:17,230
both of you to everybody who goes

1066
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:18,910
through hard times and know that you can

1067
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:20,800
come out the other side of it now here's

1068
00:50:25,470 --> 00:50:23,050
another comment the government continues

1069
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:25,480
to be in denial and if Betty and Bob

1070
00:50:30,270 --> 00:50:27,520
didn't experience alien beings

1071
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:30,280
why bother harassing them and others

1072
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:34,240
obviously their story is true supposedly

1073
00:50:40,890 --> 00:50:37,450
there are 65 alien types visiting earth

1074
00:50:43,710 --> 00:50:40,900
some benevolent and some malevolent what

1075
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:43,720
do you think about their agenda for our

1076
00:50:49,500 --> 00:50:47,170
world I think the most honest answer is

1077
00:50:52,020 --> 00:50:49,510
that none of the investigators out there

1078
00:50:55,319 --> 00:50:52,030
really have a clue because the fact

1079
00:50:57,660 --> 00:50:55,329
there are so many each one probably with

1080
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:57,670
their own agenda and that makes it very

1081
00:51:02,490 --> 00:51:00,400
difficult to sort out just what's which

1082
00:51:05,579 --> 00:51:02,500
group is doing what

1083
00:51:07,260 --> 00:51:05,589
as far as are they here you know a lot

1084
00:51:08,970 --> 00:51:07,270
of people may not listen to people like

1085
00:51:11,430 --> 00:51:08,980
Betty and I or others that have had

1086
00:51:13,349 --> 00:51:11,440
experiences but you have to remember you

1087
00:51:15,660 --> 00:51:13,359
have people like Wernher von Braun who

1088
00:51:18,180 --> 00:51:15,670
got us to the moon admitting that

1089
00:51:19,950 --> 00:51:18,190
there's aliens you have been rich who

1090
00:51:22,020 --> 00:51:19,960
was a head of Lockheed skunkworks

1091
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:22,030
who said not only do we have alien

1092
00:51:26,819 --> 00:51:24,130
technology but we have the means to fly

1093
00:51:28,770 --> 00:51:26,829
it among the stars now you have

1094
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:28,780
astronauts that have come forth with

1095
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:31,690
their stories absolutely they're here do

1096
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:34,240
we know exactly why I don't think anyone

1097
00:51:41,059 --> 00:51:38,890
knows the whole story is yet you know

1098
00:51:43,710 --> 00:51:41,069
we'd like to know though and then we had

1099
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:43,720
in sixty minutes interview Robert

1100
00:51:47,650 --> 00:51:46,450
Bigelow came out the billionaire who

1101
00:51:49,930 --> 00:51:47,660
works with NASA

1102
00:51:51,790 --> 00:51:49,940
and said they're here and the

1103
00:51:53,710 --> 00:51:51,800
interviewer said where are they and he

1104
00:51:56,290 --> 00:51:53,720
said they're right under our noses

1105
00:51:57,250 --> 00:51:56,300
and what an interesting response right

1106
00:52:00,820 --> 00:51:57,260
very true

1107
00:52:03,250 --> 00:52:00,830
so I guess them right under our noses so

1108
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:03,260
yeah the hybrids according to David

1109
00:52:08,620 --> 00:52:06,650
Jacobs are here and there's a lot

1110
00:52:11,830 --> 00:52:08,630
happening but I know you two have been

1111
00:52:14,110 --> 00:52:11,840
at the forefront of this for so long and

1112
00:52:15,850 --> 00:52:14,120
you have so much more to share we want

1113
00:52:19,060 --> 00:52:15,860
to get into more of the government

1114
00:52:21,730 --> 00:52:19,070
harassment the men and black experiences

1115
00:52:24,460 --> 00:52:21,740
that you've had the fact that you two

1116
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:24,470
were drugged in your own home we want to

1117
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:26,570
hear more about that is horrible that is

1118
00:52:31,900 --> 00:52:29,810
that is it definitely happened and I'm

1119
00:52:33,850 --> 00:52:31,910
also a witness to this because this is

1120
00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:33,860
how I met you guys when I was called

1121
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:37,250
into the investigation years ago there

1122
00:52:42,130 --> 00:52:39,200
were black helicopters over my house

1123
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:42,140
three days after I met you for the first

1124
00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:45,050
time in Cheshire and they were flying so

1125
00:52:52,450 --> 00:52:49,040
low that they bent the trees over the

1126
00:52:54,370 --> 00:52:52,460
back wash bent the trees over to the

1127
00:52:55,870 --> 00:52:54,380
point where they touched the ground so I

1128
00:52:59,200 --> 00:52:55,880
know exactly what you're talking about

1129
00:53:01,810 --> 00:52:59,210
I'm a witness to it it's all true and

1130
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:01,820
we're so happy to have you here on the

1131
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:03,410
show with us tonight letting everybody

1132
00:53:09,390 --> 00:53:05,810
know what's going on and again everybody

1133
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:09,400
here's a new book a lifting of the veil

1134
00:53:15,970 --> 00:53:13,040
get your copy on Amazon and also get a

1135
00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:15,980
copy of the undressing affair reprint by

1136
00:53:20,430 --> 00:53:18,710
new page that's there as well don't miss

1137
00:53:23,410 --> 00:53:20,440
it I mean this is great information

1138
00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:23,420
we're gonna get to as much as we can the

1139
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:26,000
rest of the show but right now we are

1140
00:53:30,550 --> 00:53:28,850
about to take another short break so

1141
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:30,560
again please visit our Facebook page

1142
00:53:35,590 --> 00:53:33,890
give us a like follow us go to the

1143
00:53:38,170 --> 00:53:35,600
fringe files and sign up for that

1144
00:53:42,010 --> 00:53:38,180
newsletter I promise I'm going to be

1145
00:53:43,780 --> 00:53:42,020
doing that regularly I promise it's been

1146
00:53:45,940 --> 00:53:43,790
a lot to get out the door lately but I

1147
00:53:49,300 --> 00:53:45,950
promise I'll do it again and you guys

1148
00:53:50,530 --> 00:53:49,310
will be on on alert for all the new

1149
00:53:52,780 --> 00:53:50,540
things that we're going to be doing

1150
00:53:54,490 --> 00:53:52,790
which are incredible coming up but

1151
00:53:56,770 --> 00:53:54,500
tonight's show is stellar I'm glad

1152
00:53:57,370 --> 00:53:56,780
you're joining us so hang onto your

1153
00:53:59,830 --> 00:53:57,380
seats

1154
00:54:01,300 --> 00:53:59,840
and we will be right back for the most

1155
00:54:02,950 --> 00:54:01,310
exciting part of the show

1156
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:02,960
our government harassment you will not

1157
00:54:10,270 --> 00:54:05,330
believe it it is incredible stay tuned

1158
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:10,280
everybody we'll be right back welcome

1159
00:54:12,790 --> 00:54:12,050
back everyone to super national girls

1160
00:54:14,740 --> 00:54:12,800
radio

1161
00:54:17,770 --> 00:54:14,750
I'm your host Patricia Baker here with

1162
00:54:18,700 --> 00:54:17,780
my co-host PK and our great guests have

1163
00:54:22,390 --> 00:54:18,710
loved so much

1164
00:54:24,190 --> 00:54:22,400
Betty Andreasen Lucca and Bob Lucca and

1165
00:54:26,260 --> 00:54:24,200
we are talking about their new book

1166
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:26,270
tonight it is called a lifting of the

1167
00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:29,930
veil a great book very personal book

1168
00:54:34,030 --> 00:54:32,000
don't miss it make sure you pick that up

1169
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:34,040
and a copy of the reprint of the

1170
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:36,770
Andreasen affair so that you can have

1171
00:54:43,110 --> 00:54:38,480
all the latest and greatest information

1172
00:54:46,690 --> 00:54:43,120
and we were talking off the air about

1173
00:54:48,730 --> 00:54:46,700
the information that Betty you received

1174
00:54:51,850 --> 00:54:48,740
from the beings about their propulsion

1175
00:54:55,210 --> 00:54:51,860
now Bob you were explaining it and what

1176
00:54:59,230 --> 00:54:55,220
it really means yeah

1177
00:55:02,500 --> 00:54:59,240
in 1967 when Betty was shown their craft

1178
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:02,510
this particular craft they showed her

1179
00:55:08,050 --> 00:55:04,370
that part of the propulsion system

1180
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:08,060
consisted of a huge Wow look like a

1181
00:55:12,490 --> 00:55:10,400
donut it is the best way I can describe

1182
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:12,500
it they went completely around the

1183
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:15,410
inside of the craft and this donut was

1184
00:55:22,180 --> 00:55:18,650
filled with liquid mercury and rotated

1185
00:55:23,950 --> 00:55:22,190
at a very high speed well nobody paid

1186
00:55:27,070 --> 00:55:23,960
attention to it in the first book cause

1187
00:55:29,950 --> 00:55:27,080
people weren't aware but today we have

1188
00:55:32,980 --> 00:55:29,960
an aircraft called the tr-3b and several

1189
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:32,990
other models lawsuits of that that in

1190
00:55:39,370 --> 00:55:36,410
fact use liquid mercury rotating in a

1191
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:39,380
cylinder and a cylindrical tube because

1192
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:42,050
what they found is that when it's revved

1193
00:55:49,180 --> 00:55:45,170
up high enough under high atmospheric

1194
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:49,190
pressure it negates gravity by 90 by 89%

1195
00:55:54,250 --> 00:55:52,730
and no one knew that in 1967 so that

1196
00:56:01,260 --> 00:55:54,260
kind of got missed when the first book

1197
00:56:06,850 --> 00:56:03,880
exactly and it's this is right in line

1198
00:56:11,950 --> 00:56:06,860
with Betty Hill star chart - mm-hmm

1199
00:56:14,030 --> 00:56:11,960
exactly recently my daughter was over

1200
00:56:16,820 --> 00:56:14,040
bonny was over and

1201
00:56:20,090 --> 00:56:16,830
she was going over her sisters for

1202
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:20,100
Thanksgiving and we happen to talk about

1203
00:56:24,380 --> 00:56:22,290
when they were kids they they were

1204
00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:24,390
wondering where the cellar door was to

1205
00:56:29,150 --> 00:56:26,250
get in the old house that we had and we

1206
00:56:33,260 --> 00:56:29,160
changed a lot of the house and so

1207
00:56:37,010 --> 00:56:33,270
anyways she told me that they lived

1208
00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:37,020
there if they were outside the kids

1209
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:41,250
found mercury in the yard and they were

1210
00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:44,850
holding my night with it like wow right

1211
00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:48,240
Joe I didn't realize I said why didn't

1212
00:56:54,250 --> 00:56:50,730
you tell me that's poisonous you know

1213
00:56:57,620 --> 00:56:54,260
and I thought also the craft that landed

1214
00:56:58,880 --> 00:56:57,630
up in the back of the house on a slight

1215
00:57:02,360 --> 00:56:58,890
hill

1216
00:57:05,810 --> 00:57:02,370
perhaps that was some of their mercury

1217
00:57:09,650 --> 00:57:05,820
liquid in some way leaking out in the

1218
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:09,660
the lawn or the ground below because

1219
00:57:15,830 --> 00:57:12,090
grass would no longer grow there

1220
00:57:18,530 --> 00:57:15,840
so yes exactly I don't know what

1221
00:57:20,690 --> 00:57:18,540
happened to my God was like whatever I

1222
00:57:23,420 --> 00:57:20,700
govern it government but somebody took

1223
00:57:25,610 --> 00:57:23,430
all that whole land away it now goes

1224
00:57:28,730 --> 00:57:25,620
down like this when it was a big hill

1225
00:57:32,180 --> 00:57:28,740
where the crab had landed so they must

1226
00:57:35,630 --> 00:57:32,190
have taken the soil to find out if there

1227
00:57:39,740 --> 00:57:35,640
was any leakage like that there was a

1228
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:39,750
dream it's oil handedness yeah yes it's

1229
00:57:45,650 --> 00:57:42,330
as if they were closely watching us I

1230
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:45,660
also had some other drawings that I made

1231
00:57:51,140 --> 00:57:48,930
of the craft and when we were gone we

1232
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:51,150
were going to a lecture when we got back

1233
00:57:56,510 --> 00:57:54,000
home we were living in the trailer at

1234
00:58:00,410 --> 00:57:56,520
that time somebody broke in and they

1235
00:58:02,810 --> 00:58:00,420
didn't take anything of value except one

1236
00:58:06,770 --> 00:58:02,820
or two of those drawings that I draw

1237
00:58:11,930 --> 00:58:06,780
drawings see there's something

1238
00:58:14,540 --> 00:58:11,940
interesting there now you wanted to say

1239
00:58:17,420 --> 00:58:14,550
that we that was in a rural area so we

1240
00:58:21,260 --> 00:58:17,430
had to call the State Police and we told

1241
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:21,270
them that we were involved yes and he

1242
00:58:25,100 --> 00:58:23,970
said well when I if I find something out

1243
00:58:27,500 --> 00:58:25,110
I will tell you

1244
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:27,510
a week later I went

1245
00:58:32,210 --> 00:58:30,210
to the troopers office and I was

1246
00:58:33,890 --> 00:58:32,220
informed by another trooper that this

1247
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:33,900
fella had been transferred and they

1248
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:36,480
didn't know where they could get in

1249
00:58:40,730 --> 00:58:38,610
touch really that happened with the

1250
00:58:46,930 --> 00:58:40,740
Federal Aviation Administration as well

1251
00:59:00,020 --> 00:58:56,210
yeah they try to get them out of the way

1252
00:59:02,030 --> 00:59:00,030
now you had an experience also but it's

1253
00:59:03,860 --> 00:59:02,040
horrific I'd love you to tell that story

1254
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:03,870
and people need to hear this they need

1255
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:05,040
to know that this is what our government

1256
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:06,810
or shadow government whoever the heck

1257
00:59:14,900 --> 00:59:13,490
which experience were you referring to I

1258
00:59:17,810 --> 00:59:14,910
didn't you broke up a little bit I

1259
00:59:22,100 --> 00:59:17,820
didn't hear the beginning you you were

1260
00:59:24,860 --> 00:59:22,110
drugged in your own home okay but I went

1261
00:59:27,830 --> 00:59:24,870
to see you heard the note went for your

1262
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:27,840
gun well yeah we're living in Cheshire

1263
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:31,920
Connecticut and we had retired for the

1264
00:59:36,860 --> 00:59:34,890
evening and about it was pretty late

1265
00:59:37,730 --> 00:59:36,870
probably 2 3 in the morning something

1266
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:37,740
like that

1267
00:59:44,860 --> 00:59:41,010
I heard distinctly heard do men talking

1268
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:44,870
in our kitchen now the kitchen was

1269
00:59:48,860 --> 00:59:47,250
outside of our bedroom was a small

1270
00:59:49,490 --> 00:59:48,870
hallway and then the kitchen was off to

1271
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:49,500
the right

1272
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:52,770
I could hear these men clearly as I

1273
00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:55,290
looked up he had a large Belgian

1274
01:00:02,060 --> 00:59:58,010
Shepherd a dog he weighed about 90 95

1275
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:02,070
pounds the door got up his front paws

1276
01:00:06,590 --> 01:00:03,930
slid out from under him and he fell

1277
01:00:09,260 --> 01:00:06,600
right on his face so I saw hold this

1278
01:00:12,830 --> 01:00:09,270
this can't be good I reach in my

1279
01:00:16,130 --> 01:00:12,840
nightstand they get my pistol and the

1280
01:00:19,940 --> 01:00:16,140
next thing I know is morning I have a

1281
01:00:21,860 --> 01:00:19,950
terrible headache and Betty got up and

1282
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:21,870
she had a terrible headache as well

1283
01:00:28,430 --> 01:00:25,050
besides wow that's like a hangover but

1284
01:00:31,580 --> 01:00:28,440
without having anything to drink so we

1285
01:00:34,370 --> 01:00:31,590
went to our respective jobs at the end

1286
01:00:37,070 --> 01:00:34,380
of the day she came home I came home and

1287
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:37,080
she said gee she said my left arm has

1288
01:00:41,250 --> 01:00:39,450
been hurting me all day and I said

1289
01:00:44,610 --> 01:00:41,260
that's funny I says my right arm is

1290
01:00:47,580 --> 01:00:44,620
really painting me all day they - she's

1291
01:00:50,940 --> 01:00:47,590
right-handed I'm left-handed so we took

1292
01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:50,950
off our shirts and right about in the

1293
01:00:56,550 --> 01:00:53,200
place where you usually get a normal

1294
01:00:58,620 --> 01:00:56,560
needle or vaccination puncture mark and

1295
01:01:01,170 --> 01:00:58,630
approximately an inch and 1/4 diameter

1296
01:01:04,050 --> 01:01:01,180
black and blue mark around it both on

1297
01:01:07,620 --> 01:01:04,060
both of us later on I had a chance to

1298
01:01:09,180 --> 01:01:07,630
talk to our family doctor and I asked

1299
01:01:10,290 --> 01:01:09,190
him I said should we have gone to the

1300
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:10,300
hospital you know

1301
01:01:15,570 --> 01:01:12,400
could that have shown what was injected

1302
01:01:18,300 --> 01:01:15,580
into us and he said no by that time it

1303
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:18,310
just would have it would have shown up

1304
01:01:23,910 --> 01:01:21,490
on any test and why we were left in a

1305
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:23,920
bad way here we thought well we could

1306
01:01:28,650 --> 01:01:26,770
call the police but then again a police

1307
01:01:31,340 --> 01:01:28,660
gonna believe you you know somebody came

1308
01:01:33,990 --> 01:01:31,350
in a house and put you out with a drug

1309
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:34,000
that they knowing that we're in a UFO

1310
01:01:38,580 --> 01:01:35,650
phenomena thought we're nuts

1311
01:01:40,380 --> 01:01:38,590
so we just had to let it go but I just

1312
01:01:42,810 --> 01:01:40,390
wish I was awake a little bit longer

1313
01:01:45,630 --> 01:01:42,820
because government agency government

1314
01:01:48,270 --> 01:01:45,640
Asia or not being in our house like that

1315
01:01:50,670 --> 01:01:48,280
I would have shot the person yeah I mean

1316
01:01:52,650 --> 01:01:50,680
it's it's unbelievable that they would

1317
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:52,660
attempt to do this that they did it and

1318
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:55,090
they get away with it I mean it's it's

1319
01:02:00,360 --> 01:01:57,210
to me this is unconscionable

1320
01:02:01,830 --> 01:02:00,370
it really is it's a horrible thing and

1321
01:02:03,150 --> 01:02:01,840
then at the same time they're speaking

1322
01:02:04,470 --> 01:02:03,160
out of both sides of their mouths

1323
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:04,480
because on the one hand they're saying

1324
01:02:09,630 --> 01:02:07,210
there's no such thing as UFOs on the

1325
01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:09,640
other side they're following you they're

1326
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:12,160
shadowing you like crazy and the reason

1327
01:02:16,410 --> 01:02:13,930
I think they're following you guys is

1328
01:02:19,610 --> 01:02:16,420
because Betty has been able to draw

1329
01:02:22,590 --> 01:02:19,620
details she's been able to remember

1330
01:02:24,810 --> 01:02:22,600
details and so that fine artists eye

1331
01:02:26,670 --> 01:02:24,820
that you have Betty and all the drawings

1332
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:26,680
and paintings you've done I'm sure that

1333
01:02:35,970 --> 01:02:34,330
drives them crazy because one of the

1334
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:35,980
things that they will see in the book

1335
01:02:41,550 --> 01:02:37,690
and I'm not going to give away anything

1336
01:02:44,220 --> 01:02:41,560
here but there is proof that the FBI was

1337
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:44,230
keeping a file on us even though neither

1338
01:02:50,430 --> 01:02:47,530
of us has any criminal record and then

1339
01:02:54,630 --> 01:02:50,440
the Department of Defense hacked into

1340
01:02:56,820 --> 01:02:54,640
our home computer twice in 48 hours

1341
01:02:59,670 --> 01:02:56,830
and if people see the book they're going

1342
01:03:01,410 --> 01:02:59,680
to be very surprised at what agency

1343
01:03:03,690 --> 01:03:01,420
within the Department of Defense hacked

1344
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:03,700
into our computer because you do not see

1345
01:03:11,210 --> 01:03:06,730
that every day you know and you're the

1346
01:03:15,090 --> 01:03:11,220
only people that we know that have

1347
01:03:18,060 --> 01:03:15,100
actually been able to catch them in the

1348
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:18,070
act you've been able to do that so again

1349
01:03:21,930 --> 01:03:20,050
here's the book everybody a lifting of

1350
01:03:24,570 --> 01:03:21,940
the veil if you want to see the proof

1351
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:24,580
it's in this book you will see the

1352
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:26,890
documentation that Betty and Bob have

1353
01:03:32,100 --> 01:03:30,730
and it is quite compelling now I see

1354
01:03:33,750 --> 01:03:32,110
I'll tell you another thing that bothers

1355
01:03:36,390 --> 01:03:33,760
the heck out of me with all of these

1356
01:03:40,140 --> 01:03:36,400
things you know I contacted a CBS

1357
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:40,150
producer about this breakfast about the

1358
01:03:48,810 --> 01:03:46,210
hack and I went through the whole story

1359
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:48,820
with him and here was his response I

1360
01:03:54,300 --> 01:03:51,610
wanted to throttle him he said well they

1361
01:03:56,430 --> 01:03:54,310
they had a UFO experience well then I

1362
01:03:59,550 --> 01:03:56,440
think it's the government's right to do

1363
01:04:02,100 --> 01:03:59,560
this that's like oh really I don't think

1364
01:04:04,020 --> 01:04:02,110
so I don't think it's the government's

1365
01:04:06,990 --> 01:04:04,030
right these people have broken no laws

1366
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:07,000
and there's nothing that says that UFO

1367
01:04:11,730 --> 01:04:09,010
abductees should fall under some

1368
01:04:14,820 --> 01:04:11,740
surveillance and be drugged in their own

1369
01:04:16,980 --> 01:04:14,830
home and have helicopters intimidating

1370
01:04:20,330 --> 01:04:16,990
them on the roadways and wherever they

1371
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:20,340
are in the United States that's crap and

1372
01:04:27,390 --> 01:04:24,610
so he ended up not doing the story on

1373
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:27,400
CBS News about this but I was like well

1374
01:04:31,950 --> 01:04:29,050
I'm glad he didn't because what kind of

1375
01:04:34,830 --> 01:04:31,960
story would he produce that abductees

1376
01:04:37,380 --> 01:04:34,840
should be under surveillance that this

1377
01:04:39,450 --> 01:04:37,390
is the mentality I think some people

1378
01:04:41,700 --> 01:04:39,460
don't get it you know they don't

1379
01:04:45,780 --> 01:04:41,710
understand that this is against the law

1380
01:04:47,580 --> 01:04:45,790
this is invasive this goes beyond NSA's

1381
01:04:50,130 --> 01:04:47,590
listening to our phone conversations

1382
01:04:53,250 --> 01:04:50,140
this is so much worse than that this is

1383
01:04:56,340 --> 01:04:53,260
why your show is like it are so

1384
01:05:00,480 --> 01:04:56,350
important because people can be informed

1385
01:05:07,069 --> 01:05:00,490
and I'll tell you I I did contact CBS

1386
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:07,079
ABC NBC MSNBC The Huffington Post's news

1387
01:05:13,609 --> 01:05:10,650
papers because the FBI had time to look

1388
01:05:17,150 --> 01:05:13,619
into the houston astros hacking into the

1389
01:05:19,670 --> 01:05:17,160
computer of the st. louis cardinals that

1390
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:19,680
was a story that was a nationwide story

1391
01:05:27,670 --> 01:05:22,890
on the news was huge yes that's right

1392
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:27,680
when the department of defense of

1393
01:05:36,650 --> 01:05:31,410
law-abiding citizens nobody wants to

1394
01:05:38,719 --> 01:05:36,660
know didn't even get one reply it's it's

1395
01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:38,729
unconscionable like i said i'm appalled

1396
01:05:44,809 --> 01:05:41,609
and i'm still looking for a reporter in

1397
01:05:48,199 --> 01:05:44,819
one of the news outlets to handle this

1398
01:05:50,509 --> 01:05:48,209
but this is why nobody trusts the

1399
01:05:54,140 --> 01:05:50,519
mainstream media because they won't

1400
01:05:55,910 --> 01:05:54,150
report on things like this and people do

1401
01:05:58,219 --> 01:05:55,920
know that they're happening and we're

1402
01:06:00,229 --> 01:05:58,229
sick of it not being reported this needs

1403
01:06:02,059 --> 01:06:00,239
to be reported this should be on 60

1404
01:06:04,339 --> 01:06:02,069
minutes this should be on fox news this

1405
01:06:06,170 --> 01:06:04,349
should be everywhere so people know that

1406
01:06:08,509 --> 01:06:06,180
this is what our governments been doing

1407
01:06:11,089 --> 01:06:08,519
and god bless the two of you for coming

1408
01:06:15,229 --> 01:06:11,099
out with this great books you know and

1409
01:06:16,819 --> 01:06:15,239
telling more of the truth so another one

1410
01:06:18,499 --> 01:06:16,829
thing i'd like to mention that i as i

1411
01:06:21,199 --> 01:06:18,509
told you there were a few humorous

1412
01:06:23,269 --> 01:06:21,209
moments in all this one night the

1413
01:06:26,420 --> 01:06:23,279
psychiatrist that originally had

1414
01:06:28,699 --> 01:06:26,430
examined betty was in our passing

1415
01:06:31,609 --> 01:06:28,709
through our area and he called us at

1416
01:06:33,439 --> 01:06:31,619
about nine o'clock at night and he said

1417
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:33,449
i'm in the area he said i'd like to come

1418
01:06:37,370 --> 01:06:34,410
visit with you

1419
01:06:40,099 --> 01:06:37,380
so sure we went and met him and led him

1420
01:06:42,339 --> 01:06:40,109
to our house make long story short he

1421
01:06:45,319 --> 01:06:42,349
stayed till about 5:30 in the morning

1422
01:06:48,949 --> 01:06:45,329
during the night there was a huge crash

1423
01:06:51,049 --> 01:06:48,959
in the kitchen nobody was home there was

1424
01:06:53,839 --> 01:06:51,059
just Betty and I in the psychiatrist so

1425
01:06:55,699 --> 01:06:53,849
that was a pretty good witness but later

1426
01:06:57,549 --> 01:06:55,709
on when he was getting ready to go home

1427
01:07:01,219 --> 01:06:57,559
we were out in the front yard was about

1428
01:07:03,349 --> 01:07:01,229
5:20 or so in the morning and we're

1429
01:07:07,130 --> 01:07:03,359
class still talking and it was this huge

1430
01:07:09,140 --> 01:07:07,140
cigar shaped cloud over the house and it

1431
01:07:12,529 --> 01:07:09,150
wasn't moving even though other clouds

1432
01:07:15,859 --> 01:07:12,539
were this was just stationary and you

1433
01:07:18,109 --> 01:07:15,869
could see the edges of the cloud got

1434
01:07:20,359 --> 01:07:18,119
thin and you can see the stars through

1435
01:07:20,990 --> 01:07:20,369
it just a little bit and this thing was

1436
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:21,000
larger

1437
01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:22,970
probably a quarter of a mile long or so

1438
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:25,920
well we're talking about maybe he's the

1439
01:07:30,950 --> 01:07:27,690
psychiatrist her and they looked he said

1440
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:30,960
did you people see that I said yeah but

1441
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:32,610
I wasn't gonna mention it until you saw

1442
01:07:53,870 --> 01:07:49,890
it first now you've also oh yeah we miss

1443
01:07:56,660 --> 01:07:53,880
Larry passed away yeah he and his wife

1444
01:07:59,060 --> 01:07:56,670
Lois were over for dinner one day and

1445
01:08:03,050 --> 01:07:59,070
we're sitting this is in the house in

1446
01:08:06,140 --> 01:08:03,060
Cheshire and there was a added year with

1447
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:06,150
glass shelves on the side opposite Larry

1448
01:08:11,510 --> 01:08:08,610
and it was a little bell there like a

1449
01:08:13,580 --> 01:08:11,520
dinner bell it was made out of glass and

1450
01:08:14,330 --> 01:08:13,590
I had of course the little clapper

1451
01:08:17,539 --> 01:08:14,340
inside

1452
01:08:19,910 --> 01:08:17,549
well the Bell started to ring Larry is

1453
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:19,920
very scientific mind oriented he's been

1454
01:08:25,460 --> 01:08:22,770
trained in criminology police

1455
01:08:28,460 --> 01:08:25,470
investigation he jumps up and he runs

1456
01:08:30,590 --> 01:08:28,470
over to the shelf and looks and problem

1457
01:08:32,090 --> 01:08:30,600
is there were bottles of liquor and

1458
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:32,100
other liquids on the shelf

1459
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:35,250
they weren't disturbed at all yet this

1460
01:08:47,749 --> 01:08:37,290
bell was ringing and he had a problem

1461
01:08:51,890 --> 01:08:47,759
with that experience with the men in

1462
01:08:55,789 --> 01:08:51,900
black right you had experiences with

1463
01:08:57,650 --> 01:08:55,799
them I'm one trip to Florida we used to

1464
01:09:00,230 --> 01:08:57,660
drive from Connecticut or I'd drive from

1465
01:09:04,670 --> 01:09:00,240
Connecticut to Pompano just straight

1466
01:09:07,999 --> 01:09:04,680
through but this one trip we hit road

1467
01:09:10,010 --> 01:09:08,009
construction accidents and by the time

1468
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:10,020
we got to Lake Worth I was just so

1469
01:09:15,260 --> 01:09:11,850
exhausted I couldn't hold my eyes open

1470
01:09:16,999 --> 01:09:15,270
much longer so we got off of 95 on to

1471
01:09:18,530 --> 01:09:17,009
Lake Worth Road and it was a beautiful

1472
01:09:22,340 --> 01:09:18,540
campground there at Lake Worth

1473
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:22,350
campground so I pulled in there I went

1474
01:09:28,370 --> 01:09:24,930
in to get us a room I'm in a room yes a

1475
01:09:30,650 --> 01:09:28,380
lot and while I was in there two people

1476
01:09:33,470 --> 01:09:30,660
were talking about a UFO sighting over

1477
01:09:36,590 --> 01:09:33,480
the campground on the previous evening

1478
01:09:39,050 --> 01:09:36,600
oh my oh I was so tired I didn't want to

1479
01:09:41,809 --> 01:09:39,060
get involved in any conversations no I

1480
01:09:46,910 --> 01:09:41,819
just paid for our lot and went and

1481
01:09:51,050 --> 01:09:46,920
parked the car and in Florida the way

1482
01:09:53,570 --> 01:09:51,060
the lots are lined up the the roads were

1483
01:09:56,270 --> 01:09:53,580
east and west and the lots were north

1484
01:09:58,790 --> 01:09:56,280
and south so as I pull the car in and

1485
01:10:02,210 --> 01:09:58,800
parked it the compass was on just about

1486
01:10:04,460 --> 01:10:02,220
due north well Betty and I were sitting

1487
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:04,470
there for a while the car we had had

1488
01:10:08,270 --> 01:10:06,330
seats that folded down it was fairly

1489
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:08,280
comfortable we thought we get a good

1490
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:09,810
night's sleep get a shower in the

1491
01:10:13,190 --> 01:10:10,970
morning and be on our way

1492
01:10:17,990 --> 01:10:13,200
well we're sitting there and all of a

1493
01:10:20,210 --> 01:10:18,000
sudden this baseball sized ball of light

1494
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:20,220
comes right through the driver's door of

1495
01:10:25,580 --> 01:10:23,250
the car and it's multifaceted it looks

1496
01:10:27,740 --> 01:10:25,590
like a disco ball and it floated

1497
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:27,750
silently in one side of the car and out

1498
01:10:34,070 --> 01:10:32,130
the other so I she saw I saw I said it's

1499
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:34,080
not a hallucination so we just thought

1500
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:38,250
whoa making mental note of that and off

1501
01:10:45,860 --> 01:10:41,730
to sleep we went well about midnight or

1502
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:45,870
so I heard a car door closed or sounded

1503
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:47,850
like a car door closing and I looked out

1504
01:10:53,450 --> 01:10:50,370
back and a black or dark-colored

1505
01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:53,460
Cadillac had parked almost at the back

1506
01:10:57,500 --> 01:10:55,920
end of our car so I figured well

1507
01:10:59,630 --> 01:10:57,510
somebody's trying to beat the campground

1508
01:11:02,690 --> 01:10:59,640
out of their feet or just gonna have a

1509
01:11:04,550 --> 01:11:02,700
nap and take off brought three or four

1510
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:04,560
o'clock I think was more like 3:00 a.m.

1511
01:11:09,890 --> 01:11:07,290
I needed to use the restroom and it was

1512
01:11:12,530 --> 01:11:09,900
probably about 20 yards 20 30 yards from

1513
01:11:14,330 --> 01:11:12,540
where our car was I got out of the car

1514
01:11:17,930 --> 01:11:14,340
locked the door cuz betty was fast

1515
01:11:20,900 --> 01:11:17,940
asleep walked to the restroom I'm

1516
01:11:23,450 --> 01:11:20,910
walking back and I noticed the Cadillac

1517
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:23,460
had New York license plates I didn't get

1518
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:25,170
the number but it was a familiar yellow

1519
01:11:27,650 --> 01:11:26,970
plate with New York on the top right

1520
01:11:30,979 --> 01:11:27,660
uh-huh

1521
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:30,989
as I got to the left rear of the car all

1522
01:11:39,110 --> 01:11:35,690
four doors open exactly at the same time

1523
01:11:42,229 --> 01:11:39,120
four men got out they looked like they

1524
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:42,239
were stamped out of the same mold the ad

1525
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:46,050
on black suits white shirts thin black

1526
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:47,810
tie

1527
01:11:54,729 --> 01:11:51,650
rimmed hats and they look Asian and they

1528
01:11:58,270 --> 01:11:54,739
were very extremely thin I mean very

1529
01:11:59,890 --> 01:11:58,280
very thin and as I'm walking around the

1530
01:12:02,680 --> 01:11:59,900
car they're well they're looking at me

1531
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:02,690
and I'm looking at them and I I really

1532
01:12:05,620 --> 01:12:04,250
didn't feel any fear or anything okay it

1533
01:12:08,950 --> 01:12:05,630
looked like a good wind would probably

1534
01:12:11,729 --> 01:12:08,960
have taken off with him as I walked by

1535
01:12:15,070 --> 01:12:11,739
the front of the car back toward our car

1536
01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:15,080
they went around the vehicle like kids

1537
01:12:21,070 --> 01:12:17,600
playing musical chairs they actually

1538
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:21,080
around the vehicle and all got in on the

1539
01:12:26,350 --> 01:12:22,850
out day opposite sides from where they

1540
01:12:28,900 --> 01:12:26,360
started and shut all the doors exactly

1541
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:28,910
at the same time it sounded like one

1542
01:12:36,970 --> 01:12:33,170
door headshot Wow in the morning what

1543
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:36,980
was interesting first thing I noticed

1544
01:12:44,590 --> 01:12:40,850
the time on our clock the digital clock

1545
01:12:47,500 --> 01:12:44,600
had gone 20 minutes ahead I don't know

1546
01:12:50,140 --> 01:12:47,510
how that happens to a digital clock our

1547
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:50,150
compass was no longer pointing north it

1548
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:54,170
was pointing almost east oh my god yes I

1549
01:12:58,870 --> 01:12:57,050
had talked to electrical engineers after

1550
01:13:01,660 --> 01:12:58,880
when we returned and they said the only

1551
01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:01,670
thing they could think of was possibly

1552
01:13:05,500 --> 01:13:04,400
some type of electromagnetic pulse or

1553
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:05,510
something like that

1554
01:13:10,030 --> 01:13:07,850
but I wish we could have gotten ahold of

1555
01:13:13,690 --> 01:13:10,040
some investigators at the time because

1556
01:13:18,700 --> 01:13:13,700
there was evidence right at the moment

1557
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:18,710
it happened but you know and also that

1558
01:13:22,450 --> 01:13:20,930
was long ago and we didn't all have cell

1559
01:13:24,780 --> 01:13:22,460
phones that take pictures and things

1560
01:13:28,090 --> 01:13:24,790
like that so we didn't have the same

1561
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:28,100
support to get this this stuff as it

1562
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:30,530
happens and you also though you had the

1563
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:32,930
FBI it showed up where you worked when

1564
01:13:36,100 --> 01:13:34,250
you took off in the middle of the night

1565
01:13:39,130 --> 01:13:36,110
to go to Florida nobody knew you had

1566
01:13:41,500 --> 01:13:39,140
gone and the FBI shows up the next day

1567
01:13:43,810 --> 01:13:41,510
they're like where is Bob Luke I mean

1568
01:13:45,450 --> 01:13:43,820
what the heck is that about well it was

1569
01:13:48,580 --> 01:13:45,460
interesting because when we got back

1570
01:13:50,530 --> 01:13:48,590
nobody knew that we went to Florida so

1571
01:13:52,930 --> 01:13:50,540
we left about two o'clock in the morning

1572
01:13:55,150 --> 01:13:52,940
they lost track of us we got back we

1573
01:13:58,030 --> 01:13:55,160
went to the FBI building the Federal

1574
01:13:59,770 --> 01:13:58,040
Building in New Haven the agent came out

1575
01:14:00,490 --> 01:13:59,780
to talk to us and of course he said well

1576
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:00,500
we can't can

1577
01:14:05,050 --> 01:14:02,690
ferm or deny that we were at her place

1578
01:14:06,730 --> 01:14:05,060
of work well gee the guys had photo ID

1579
01:14:09,790 --> 01:14:06,740
that were there and talked to several of

1580
01:14:11,980 --> 01:14:09,800
my co-workers and supervisor and then

1581
01:14:13,660 --> 01:14:11,990
since we were there anyway I asked him I

1582
01:14:17,770 --> 01:14:13,670
said well why you guys tapping our phone

1583
01:14:19,660 --> 01:14:17,780
and he said well he's now didn't tell

1584
01:14:22,210 --> 01:14:19,670
him anything about the UFO phenomena

1585
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:22,220
just our names and we came in he says

1586
01:14:25,900 --> 01:14:24,290
well he says we always get blamed but in

1587
01:14:30,070 --> 01:14:25,910
your case it's probably Air Force

1588
01:14:31,330 --> 01:14:30,080
intelligence that's what the when I talk

1589
01:14:33,820 --> 01:14:31,340
to someone in Air Force intelligence

1590
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:33,830
they said no we'd have to get a court

1591
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:35,890
order more than likely it was the FBI

1592
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:39,170
Lord thief it was probably Air Force

1593
01:14:44,710 --> 01:14:41,690
intelligence because Betty and Barney

1594
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:44,720
Hills phone was tapped by Pease Air

1595
01:14:49,390 --> 01:14:46,370
Force Base by Air Force intelligence

1596
01:14:51,490 --> 01:14:49,400
from Pease Air Force Base so it probably

1597
01:14:55,090 --> 01:14:51,500
was so now we got all the military and

1598
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:55,100
and this I wanted to question the CIA

1599
01:15:02,470 --> 01:14:58,130
also because I think they were involved

1600
01:15:05,050 --> 01:15:02,480
too and I called and asked for an

1601
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:05,060
interview for an appointment he turned

1602
01:15:09,700 --> 01:15:07,370
me down stone cold with no reason

1603
01:15:14,290 --> 01:15:09,710
whatsoever they wouldn't even talk to us

1604
01:15:16,870 --> 01:15:14,300
can't imagine that you know we're nobody

1605
01:15:19,540 --> 01:15:16,880
were just a working guy and a wife it is

1606
01:15:20,170 --> 01:15:19,550
an artist and they wouldn't even talk to

1607
01:15:23,770 --> 01:15:20,180
us

1608
01:15:25,690 --> 01:15:23,780
and one other thing real quick Betty and

1609
01:15:27,310 --> 01:15:25,700
I were at Cape Canaveral we wanted to

1610
01:15:29,230 --> 01:15:27,320
see what some of the stuff NASA was

1611
01:15:32,260 --> 01:15:29,240
doing mm-hmm

1612
01:15:33,910 --> 01:15:32,270
went to the desk and told the officer

1613
01:15:35,860 --> 01:15:33,920
that we were doing a book and we would

1614
01:15:37,090 --> 01:15:35,870
love to do an interview with the

1615
01:15:41,290 --> 01:15:37,100
administrator if it would be possible

1616
01:15:43,810 --> 01:15:41,300
and I was amazed he said yeah he called

1617
01:15:47,020 --> 01:15:43,820
down he said he's there you can talk to

1618
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:47,030
him Wow we were amazed so Betty and I

1619
01:15:50,770 --> 01:15:48,650
were booking it down the hall it was

1620
01:15:53,380 --> 01:15:50,780
seemed like a half a mile to the guy's

1621
01:15:56,220 --> 01:15:53,390
office down there we were met by a

1622
01:15:59,980 --> 01:15:56,230
secretary who was visibly nervous oh

1623
01:16:02,920 --> 01:15:59,990
he's not in though probably somebody

1624
01:16:05,740 --> 01:16:02,930
recognized us yeah because he did not

1625
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:05,750
the administrator of NASA skipped out on

1626
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:11,930
us free us yeah they don't want us to

1627
01:16:14,770 --> 01:16:13,610
know what they know but we know it

1628
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:14,780
anyway

1629
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:16,370
I mean that's the thing that it's so

1630
01:16:21,220 --> 01:16:18,650
funny to me we know it's going on

1631
01:16:22,990 --> 01:16:21,230
anyways I mean they think that they can

1632
01:16:27,220 --> 01:16:23,000
keep it from us anymore they really

1633
01:16:31,390 --> 01:16:27,230
can't we've had some other things happen

1634
01:16:34,450 --> 01:16:31,400
with portals to psychics have said that

1635
01:16:36,700 --> 01:16:34,460
we had two portals in our cellar because

1636
01:16:39,370 --> 01:16:36,710
at night time you would hear a party

1637
01:16:41,710 --> 01:16:39,380
going on you know the dark [\h__\h] all

1638
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:41,720
these things would happen well these two

1639
01:16:49,420 --> 01:16:44,570
portals are your clothes and one side

1640
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:49,430
recorded we recorded yeah but anyway

1641
01:16:54,130 --> 01:16:52,010
they're us another time that bob was

1642
01:16:57,880 --> 01:16:54,140
looking at a piece of property we have

1643
01:17:00,460 --> 01:16:57,890
in Bassett and then he just said you

1644
01:17:03,220 --> 01:17:00,470
know on Google Earth and then he decided

1645
01:17:05,470 --> 01:17:03,230
he was gonna see how our property looked

1646
01:17:10,330 --> 01:17:05,480
well when he took the Google Earth

1647
01:17:13,450 --> 01:17:10,340
picture here's this big huge portal that

1648
01:17:16,630 --> 01:17:13,460
is over our deck in the upper part of

1649
01:17:23,050 --> 01:17:16,640
our car garage oh my god have the

1650
01:17:26,740 --> 01:17:23,060
picture of it picture so they land coast

1651
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:26,750
it yeah we're gonna want to to post that

1652
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:29,570
on Facebook and show everybody the

1653
01:17:33,370 --> 01:17:31,130
portal it's over here I think these

1654
01:17:35,890 --> 01:17:33,380
things also follow you wherever you go

1655
01:17:39,370 --> 01:17:35,900
so I'm hoping you make it up to

1656
01:17:41,530 --> 01:17:39,380
Massachusetts this fall and we're gonna

1657
01:17:43,150 --> 01:17:41,540
see what happens if you do I think it's

1658
01:17:45,730 --> 01:17:43,160
gonna be great but can't thank you

1659
01:17:50,830 --> 01:17:45,740
enough for coming on the show tonight

1660
01:17:53,170 --> 01:17:50,840
and thank you so much a lifting of the

1661
01:17:56,140 --> 01:17:53,180
veil everybody you got to get it it's a

1662
01:17:57,760 --> 01:17:56,150
great book and also pick up the and race

1663
01:17:59,260 --> 01:17:57,770
and a fair reprint while you're at it

1664
01:18:02,410 --> 01:17:59,270
next week

1665
01:18:04,810 --> 01:18:02,420
we have Simeon hang PhDs a sociologist

1666
01:18:07,810 --> 01:18:04,820
he's investigated the paranormal UFOs

1667
01:18:10,390 --> 01:18:07,820
etc he's coming on to tell us what's

1668
01:18:13,030 --> 01:18:10,400
going on and why we have such a hard

1669
01:18:15,790 --> 01:18:13,040
time integrating these experiences to

1670
01:18:18,220 --> 01:18:15,800
our lives so we have another great show

1671
01:18:21,270 --> 01:18:18,230
coming up next week and again Thank You

1672
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:21,280
Betty and Bob and everybody else

1673
01:18:26,339 --> 01:18:24,650
Patricia and piqué you are so welcome it

1674
01:18:32,180 --> 01:18:26,349
was a joy

1675
01:18:36,300 --> 01:18:32,190
by the way everybody this is great right